John Lennon & Yoko Ono Sex Talk (London 1969)

Explodes the myth of Mr. and Mrs. Love & Peace

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YOKO: It’s just that Eric Clapton was fucking with… was with this chick, right? Last night, you know. It’s just like that, you know, I mean, it’s so lonely, you know, I mean if there’s a guy who’s really, ah…

JOHN: That’s his chick.

YOKO: devoted to you. What?

JOHN: That’s his chick.

YOKO: OK, so that’s his chick…

JOHN: It wasn’t casual.

YOKO: No, but I mean, alright, this is not casual something, but I mean, she may not be the most beautiful princess or something like that…

JOHN: Yes, alright…

YOKO: But, I mean, when you’re lonely, and if it’s a fan or something that’s really admiring and all that, and trying to help you and all that, all that…

JOHN: Yes…

YOKO: It’s just sort of mean though, you know, that’s what happens, the timing, alright, I was in the weakest position, and as a woman I have so many strange things, like, you know, yesterday I was really fucked up, and hemorrhaging, about so many things, you know, that I… I felt the pop-world snobbery or whatever it is against me, and the only people who really dug me is the young, the who and all that, you know, but ah, most definitely have this snobbery that, oh we’re not gonna let, ah…

JOHN: Well, let’s get on with this sex vision…

YOKO: Yeah, but what I mean is… So, ah… In Japan, too, I was facing, was complicated situation in the arts world…

JOHN: OK, you see, the point is, I’d really like you to just be, just get on with the…

YOKO: Yeah…

JOHN: list, because I know what you’re up against.

YOKO: Yeah, so I was up against many things, so I needed a consolation like, a lay, a good lay, and a kind word, and you know, so, kindness, you know, and Tony was all that, you know, so I thought well, I have to put up with it. And I felt guilty that I didn’t love him, and all that, just cause it felt good. And, actually, I was using him to that, too if, you know, when you think of it. So I got, I wouldn’t even so much as to, ah, get up in the morning, you know, unless he… [sighs]… he brings he tea, and all that, or somebody was bringing me tea… I used to be kinda fucking prima donna…

JOHN: Me too…

YOKO: …until I got, I… you know…

JOHN: Well you were only unfaithful to him once.

YOKO: Yes, because by that time, I was sick and tired of fucking around…

JOHN: So how long after you were married to him was this affair with his best friend?

YOKO: Oh, half a year.

JOHN: Half a year. And what made you break your…?

YOKO: I had no inhibition, you know, he was a, sort of a sexy, attractive guy, who was intelligent and communicates and all that, and he was living in the same house and the same class with us…

JOHN: That’s amazing…

YOKO: So, why not, you know?

JOHN: Exactly, you know. But how long did it take, how long was he living there before you made it with him?

YOKO: About a week I think…

JOHN: [Laughs] Exactly.

YOKO: You see in those days I didn’t have any, ah, inhibition about things like that. I mean now, now is the time I’m getting to be such a prude because I love you, but, you know, I would just take it if I wanted to, why not?

JOHN: Why do, ah… sort of, compare it with, because you’re in love you’re a prude?

YOKO: I just ah…

JOHN: OK, so that means that, because you’re in love, when you feel like a lay…

YOKO: I don’t feel like a lay, that’s what I mean.

JOHN: Well, alright, so you were saying, when you were, before when you were uninhibited, and you felt like a lay, you had one.

YOKO: That’s true…

JOHN: And then you say that the only reason you’re a prude now is ‘cause you’re in love. But then you say, ah, because I’m in love, I just don’t feel like a lay here and there. Which is it?

YOKO: Yeah, that’s what I mean, by feeling basic feelings is becoming a prude in other words…

JOHN: But do you think its prudish to be in love and only seem to want the one person?

YOKO: I don’t know, I…

JOHN: That’s not prudery, is it?

YOKO: No, maybe not, but I’m just expressing it that way, you know, like I sound so… fucking soft, you know, to…

JOHN: Well, why, what’s the hang up there?

YOKO: I’m scared shitless, you know.

JOHN: Well you can imagine…

YOKO: Because all that time when, when I thought there was…

JOHN: You can imagine the balance of the same situation for me, then.

YOKO: No, because…

JOHN: …to have less inhibitions about it…

YOKO: …it’s not too…

JOHN: …all down the line.

YOKO: …because whenever I, can’t even think of any one fucking attractive man, sexually, whatever, just even for five minutes, like on a television, anywhere. And I know that it would release your mind more if I’m a little bit more swinging… because…

JOHN: No, but, that’s where you’re mistaken, man…

YOKO: …you will feel guilty that you’re the only one who is interested in all that…

JOHN: …which I’m telling you…

YOKO: …and I have this fucking guy who’s always, you know, like, like a nymphomanic or something, always talking about this one and that one and, you know, while I’m staying even more and more prudish…

JOHN: (talking over Yoko) We still haven’t gotten it straight about those TV images… are not something that I would lay… but given the five minutes that that would be another thing altogether… and the point I’m trying to make with you all the time is that it’s the film or the image itself which is, it’s a live image from your mind, a better picture… or whatever it is… and it’s nothing to do with it, if that woman was in the house, you know, that, there’s no guarantee that some woman that gives me a buzz image in an advert… would be… that I would just lay her without any thought, you know, either before you or after you. There’s gotta be something, whatever it is, that’ll, that’ll do it. So you must get that straight, you know. And that, if you ask me to name any attractive women I’ve met, that really turn me on, I can say no, none. You know, there aren’t any.

YOKO: [over John] You know what I think I am? I’m like…

JOHN: [over Yoko] Not to the degree we’re talking about… So, go on, next…

YOKO: …you know… so, I don’t get turned on with every fucking pop singer or something like TV… You just don’t understand the extent of snobbery or different world I was in. Just don’t turn me on… to be looking at all that…

JOHN: It don’t turn me, but I notice you got the same amount of…

YOKO: [over John] Well… I don’t go for fucking Roberto, either, I mean, because, the thing is that I’m…

JOHN: [over Yoko] Neither do I, but that you’re talking like this…

YOKO: too ashamed for that…

JOHN: OK, but you still got the same buzz out of the same images out of those magazines as I did, and I just used the…

YOKO: Well, that’s just, I guess, women, also…

JOHN: Well, alright. You know, so, you have a different scene for women. But the same buzz I got from them, you got. And that’s all I get, you know, where it’s at, so… what’s your hassle now? What I want to know is your man buzz…

YOKO: Remember this guy who had this perversion, this sort of habitual perversion, or something, that was so mis… unfortunate for him, but, he wanted to make with it ana… I mean… have an orgy with couple and couple, you know, that bit, you know… and then his wife fell in love with the other guy, something like that…

JOHN: Yeah…

YOKO: and they killed him or something, right?

JOHN: Yes…

YOKO: You know, actually, it’s exactly the same way. Because if I said I’m more attracted to women or something, and then, like it’s very dangerous, because, you know, I’m just asking for [unintelligible], you might just fall in love with, ah…

JOHN: Sounds like you’re really worried that you might…

YOKO: No, I would never do that.

JOHN: Well, if you’re more attracted to women than you are to men…

YOKO: No, because I’m too insecure. And women, the most insecure people, they need help, my gosh, you know…

JOHN: I don’t agree, you know…

YOKO: I’m not that independent, I needed… need you, you know…

JOHN: You know, I don’t know what kind of women you know, but women are as tough as anybody, and you bloody know it. That men are just as insecure and weak and everything, you know it. But that women have just the same capabilities, strength…

YOKO: [over John] but I think that they can use physical violence and that shuts up the women, doesn’t it? Yeah, I just hate that…

JOHN: But women have never evolved physical violence very well, they’re quite capable, probably. They’re stronger, in all respects they outlast men, and if women wanted to dominate men…in all respects they outlast men, and if women wanted to dominate men…

YOKO: It’s a strength of ignorance, and any woman, it’s not ignorance, it’s just as week…

JOHN: Alright, so women, you prefer women, you think they’re much greater than men, I’m not going through that argument again. Get on with your life, you know.

YOKO: So, what happened is that I’m the type that, ah, alright, so there was a time that I was fucking around… and I said that’s good…

JOHN: So what does fucking around entail?

YOKO: But, what I mean is, I’m the type that, probably, I wouldn’t flirt with anybody, I wouldn’t… ah… you know, make it with just ah, indiscriminating with anybody… I just don’t have the guts…

JOHN: [over Yoko] But even at that Liverpool show…

YOKO: But!

JOHN: …you were flirting with the whole audience…

YOKO: …OK, that because I was a fucking whore…

JOHN: …and you were dressed in exactly your outfit…

YOKO: I mean you…

JOHN: Yeah, me, but I’m not denying it, though…

YOKO: you were an international whore…

JOHN: You’re the one that’s sort of saying…

YOKO: I’m not denying it… I’m not denying it…

JOHN: I am…

YOKO: I’m a spiritual whore… you know…

JOHN: But you’re a physical whore, too…

YOKO: All artists are spiritual whores, you know… but what I mean is, um, if I ever fall in love or something like that, you know, and I don’t flirt, so that’s the other thing…

JOHN: So, how often have you been in love?

YOKO: That’s another thing, I was really not very much in love…

JOHN: Uh, don’t sort of give me politician’s answers, you know…

YOKO: I do, you know, there’s one violinist that I was really very much in love with, and I could… I couldn’t get over…

JOHN: When was this? Is this after Tony, or what?

YOKO: That was, um, um… when I was about 22 or 23 or something like that…

JOHN: Well was that after Tony or before your first husband or after?

YOKO: Before my first husband…

JOHN: So that was your teenage one, um, you’re a late comer…

YOKO: Yeah, probably. And it was sooo… fantastic, you know, but I couldn’t, ah… breathe or something, when he was about two blocks ahead I see him two blocks ahead walking, something, I couldn’t breathe, and, that kind of thing… And then, when, um, brief affair broke up…

JOHN: How did it break up?

YOKO: I couldn’t even listen to violin sounds, whenever we go… I go under…

JOHN: How did it break up?

YOKO: I couldn’t stand up, I was feinting…

JOHN: How did it break up?

YOKO: It broke up because he had a fucking prudish idea that, um, he was a very, best friend of my husband, or something, and didn’t want to hurt my husbands…

JOHN: Oh, you said it was before your first husband…

YOKO: Yes, around that time…

JOHN: So, he wasn’t in love with you enough to…

YOKO: No…

JOHN: …to break through…

YOKO: He’s one of those very suspicious fellows…

JOHN: Well, I mean, whatever reason you gave, it was, he was not in love with you enough…

YOKO: No… Oh, he claims, now he claims that he was terribly much in love with me, the only reason he was cold was because he wanted to… you know… he was thinking about my happiness…

JOHN: Well that’s a load of crap. If he knew how much you loved him…

YOKO: Mmm. Well, ah, probably he didn’t because I was so fucking proud…

JOHN: So how long did it take you to get over that?

YOKO: About five years… Well, it’s funny, though, and then I went to Japan and I saw him and he was really nice to me. But he’s still a bachelor and he’s one of those people who’s…

JOHN: So, you really harbor that great woman’s thing that he’s a bachelor because of you.

YOKO: No, no, no. He’s a kind of guy who just can’t get married because he’s so suspicious… something like that… It’s pathetic, too, he’s not one of those, sort of swinging bachelor type, you know, he’s not that type. He’s just sort of very quiet…

JOHN: Well how did his prick compare with Tony’s, your husband’s?

YOKO: [unintelligible] He was the, alright, so, let me put it this way, he was considered one of the ugliest person in the world. He doesn’t have any chin, and his mouth is sticking out or something, and his eyes are very, very, uh, sort of, thin, you know, like a slit, you know, and his nose I guess was, really protruding… And, uh, it’s like, uh, you know, uh, who could I compare him to?

JOHN: I think that’ll do…

YOKO: Anyway, he’s just a very ugly fellow, but he had a ugly beauty about him, and, uh, I don’t know there was just, a very good vibe, whenever he’s in the stage, he was just really fantastic, you know, and he was [unintelligible] too…

JOHN: So, what about Tony’s prick that night about that?

YOKO: Tony was just ordinary. You know. But I… I… I don’t know, I’m not really… one of those women who’s always sizing up pricks, you know…

JOHN: Well, I know, but you made a point of the first husband’s prick was small and purplish…

YOKO: That was really pathetic, it was a completely, uh, watchacall… abnormal thing. Because you see he had to go the doctor, you know, to find out, because he said whenever he makes it, he has some pain or something, because uh… there’s some kind of skin that’s covering up [unintelligible] or something… you know, I don’t know what it is, but, he has pain when he makes it, so it’s unpleasant and it’s always been like that…

JOHN: What’s next, then?

YOKO: So, and then he went to the doctor and the doctor said that…

JOHN: No, no, no…

YOKO: …he had to have an operation.

JOHN: That’ll do for that, just… Next bit of your life…

YOKO: What else… is there? So, what I’m telling you is that, I’m not the type that likes to flirt with every man that comes along. And, uh, I’m, uh, very clean about things like that. But…

JOHN: Depends on what you call by flirt, you know, what you mean by flirt, and that…

YOKO: I mean I don’t think of going into bed with every man that comes around, that’s what I mean, I don’t even imagine it or anything.

JOHN: But you must, you have a, a computer system that rejects or accepts them, on that, I don’t think about this man, or I do.

YOKO: I reject most men…

JOHN: That’s OK, well you have a system, you know, so I mean, that’s it. That’s normal, you know? But you don’t have to put it into words or that, would I sleep with this one or I would I not, it’s just yes or no, a system that looks after it so you’re not conscious of it.

YOKO: Mmm. But in that sense I’m saying that I’m pretty particular, not, unlike you who is so indiscriminate…

JOHN: Well, I’m, you know… indiscriminating is your… version of what I was from what I’ve told you I did, you know.

YOKO: Mmm.

JOHN: But indiscriminating, not.

YOKO: Mmm. And I just very fucking tough too, you know like, for instance, uh, this guy that, uh, I made it after I got married to Tony, I told it was just nothing, really, I felt but why not, but, you know, I was pretty good probably and all that, but I, it didn’t turn me on or anything, you know, I was just observing objectively or some… alright he’s, this is this, so what, you know. Just sex, isn’t it?

JOHN: OK, so is that discriminate?

YOKO: And, uh, a funny thing is that he was, you know, one of those very intelligent artists and all that, but I thought, well, so what…

JOHN: What’s he doing now?

YOKO: He’s a, he’s an art teacher in uh, Dartmouth University, something…

JOHN: Well, that’s… very intelligent artist, isn’t it?

YOKO: No, no, he’s just doing it for convenience sake, I mean, you know…

JOHN: That’s what they all do, you know…

YOKO: he has to do this to make a living…

JOHN: …the compromise, we know that, you know… I’m just trying to get your intelligent artist syndrome into perspective.

YOKO: OK, well anyway, he is, you know, on the level of a chick that you would lay, OK?

JOHN: Right…

YOKO: You know it’s just a bit of, uh…

JOHN: So, he’s in England.

YOKO: …a flirt, you know. What?

JOHN: So, he’s in England.

YOKO: Dartmouth College…

JOHN: Oh, where’s that?

YOKO: That’s in the… that’s in the… uh…

JOHN: And apart from they go it just to get money they also know they can meet students, you know…

YOKO: Probably…

JOHN: It’s a good place…

YOKO: And probably he’s that kind… Anyway…

JOHN: OK, next…

YOKO: So, what happened was, I was very cruel about it, and then I thought well, fuck it, you know, he, he got very seriously involved and all that, and the thing is that I thought, I mean, after all I have Kyoko, don’t I? I’m not going to [unintelligible]…

JOHN: So, you’d been married two years, huh? Or a year, or what?

YOKO: Two years… no! Half a year.

JOHN: So, you had Kyoko before you were married?

YOKO: Well, just about the time that I had Kyoko, no, right after…

JOHN: So, you really married… pregnant…

YOKO: Yeah, well… right after…

JOHN: So that was another reason.

YOKO: Ah, no not really.

JOHN: Oh, come on.

YOKO: Nooo! Because my first husband said, have a child and come back with a child. There’s no reason to get married to Tony because of a child. It would have been more convenient if I had a child and go back to my first husband…

JOHN: Obviously wouldn’t, or you would’ve done it. OK, next.

YOKO: But, uh, the thing is, it was just after I had a child, and I was terribly insecure as a woman, you know, like I didn’t know if I was even… a good fuck anymore or whatever…

JOHN: So, you considered yourself a good fuck before that?

YOKO: Oh, yes, I did…

JOHN: From when?

YOKO: I don’t know, everybody said I was good or something… But what I mean is, when I say good fuck, I don’t mean working on a man, you know? I though that the only thing that woman has to do is to just lie down. And also, the fact that when they say good fuck I thought…

JOHN: That they want to fuck you.

YOKO: …a good body, you know, or I don’t know, I was fucking proud, you know… these days I don’t really feel that way… but, in those days I felt, well, you know, probably I must have a very… special body or something… But anyway, so, the point is, um… I have that sort of insecurity, you know, because already I was frightened of Tony and all that, you know, and uh… and then, I had the baby and all that, so I felt like my womanhood was in jeopardy or something… So, I just thought that I should have an affair with this guy… it’s very convenient to do…

JOHN: You mean you thought it out logically, what you’re trying to say, where it just sort of happened, because the guy was living there.

YOKO: The guys was living there, and then I think that I thought… well, I just have to know where I’m at, you know, as a woman.

JOHN: OK, so, then, another four years, right?

YOKO: All that time I was fucking parnoid because… you’d be surprised, if a woman is an artist and has a little name and everything and all that, and you know, this the first time, you know, in the pop world I don’t know what they think, the first time I’m just not this ugly woman and all that shit, you know, I mean in avant garde [unintelligible] there weren’t very many pee… women…

JOHN: You must remember that if you’re going to get into this avant garde pop business, and female/male bit which is what, not what I want to talk about, the point is that all, that most of the things that people have seen from you, they’re considerably because the photographs are unflattering or even anything like you, unless you get you from the right angle, you look something nothing on earth. Right? And also you’re not, you haven’t sort of… been photographed a lot so’s you know how to just switch your neck or your head or your position so’s you always come out in a good position. Which is some kind of art. Right? So, the image you’ve got is like that. And it’s obviously hurting your pride but you also… will have the other kind, you know, which is the, the studied things, and that’s the only way to do it. So, let’s drop that and get on to the…

YOKO: Yeah, no, what I mean is, in those days, you know, it was alright, you know. I don’t know what I was thinking… oh, yes, yes, so, I had fucking pride, but anyway… so, um, after that, you know, I just cut out, cut out the scene, because I thought, one night late kind of thing, just isn’t enough for me. And if I have, uh, some kind of good sex or whatever it is, then it always comes to, you know, well, there’s always an ending, right, that, ending will be alright, so, uh, you either get very involved or you don’t, you know, and I can’t get involved, because, uh, have children and all that you, you know, so, I just, and also fact that I’m so fucking, so objective and everything, so um, I thought there was no point in having an affair, and also, I was put in a position where, you know they said well I was a, queen of the happening and all that and even this girl, right, wrote to me to me or something, in Japan recently…

JOHN: Yeah…

YOKO: So that, I was really in a position like you might not believe it but like you were involved in it or something, you can’t… you can’t, make it with a man without thinking that they’re making it with you because you’re Yoko Ono.

YOKO: I never had that hang up.

YOKO: Oh, I had it, you know, because some other women and I know that men talk, something like that, you know, and I know that men, how men are so calculated…

JOHN: Don’t women talk…?

YOKO: …and you, fucking…

JOHN: Don’t women talk? Mmm?

YOKO: …calculating, cold and uh…

JOHN: And don’t women talk?

YOKO: …and are just practical minded and all out to just get something and everything…

JOHN: Oh, yeah, sure…

YOKO: …and not romantic at all…

JOHN: Don’t women talk?

YOKO: Yeah, well women sometimes…

JOHN: Most of the great romantic things are written and done by men.

YOKO: Women sometimes give their body because of some [tape ends] 003[/vc_column_text][/vc_column][/vc_row]

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